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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:23 pm 
Dear Posters I ask you the same question again,

Have you any explanation for the coming fact:

"It is out of doubt that from the Earth we can not at all directly see the other side of the Sun"?

Please give it in detail.

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The other side that is the far side is always hidden. The far side of the Sun is the "back" of the Sun. We do not see the BACK of the Sun at all. The back of the Sun is perpetually prevented from RISING on the Earth. We are permanently deprived of seeing this far side. Nor now neither then can we see the far side. Always the same face of the Sun rises on the Earth. This is the "near" side. The other far side does not rise on the Earth at all. It looks like as if the Sun is only a semisphere and that always we see only this very semisphere.


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Your question has been answered. There is no sense in simply repeating your question. It is not "out of doubt" as you seem to think. The Sun rotates. People are trying to be polite but the thread will be locked or removed if it doesn't continue sensibly. And please try to refrain from using large, bold type.

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joe wrote:
Your question has been answered. There is no sense in simply repeating your question. It is not "out of doubt" as you seem to think. The Sun rotates. People are trying to be polite but the thread will be locked or removed if it doesn't continue sensibly. And please try to refrain from using large, bold type.


No one has yet answered it.
The threat to close or to remove the thread is a way of dodging.
Prove that the Sun rotates that its rotation on its axis has the same time it takes it to complete a regular revolution in its orbit!


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I can't see the logic in what you're saying. Am I right in thinking that in this theory of yours the Sun is only half a sphere and hollow from behind? If so, how would you know that? You've never seen it, it never rises on Earth (according to your theory).
The Sun rotates, we DO see the other half, but obviously not at the same time. That is impossible with all bodies, not just the Sun, not just cosmic bodies, not just spherical bodies, but ALL bodies. Your theory seems only to address the Sun.
Now as Joe said, we've answered your question. Now you answer some of ours.


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I can't see the logic in what you're saying. Am I right in thinking that in this theory of yours the Sun is only half a sphere and hollow from behind? If so, how would you know that? You've never seen it, it never rises on Earth (according to your theory).
The Sun rotates, we DO see the other half, but obviously not at the same time. That is impossible with all bodies, not just the Sun, not just cosmic bodies, not just spherical bodies, but ALL bodies. Your theory seems only to address the Sun.
Now as Joe said, we've answered your question. Now you answer some of ours.

I don't say that the Sun is a hemisphere. The Sun is a ball but one of its two hemispheres is always hidden. Please google: the far side of the Sun.


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Attiyah Zahdeh wrote:
Prove that the Sun rotates that its rotation on its axis has the same time it takes it to complete a regular revolution in its orbit!

Prove it? OK: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/
I'm sure you'll find all the info you need there. That is the NASA website of the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO), which is a satellite orbiting the Sun (it's seen all of it by the way).
And here are some pictures of all of it: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots/2007_12_02/


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RL Astro wrote:
Attiyah Zahdeh wrote:
Prove that the Sun rotates that its rotation on its axis has the same time it takes it to complete a regular revolution in its orbit!

Prove it? OK: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/
I'm sure you'll find all the info you need there. That is the NASA website of the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO), which is a satellite orbiting the Sun (it's seen all of it by the way).
And here are some pictures of all of it: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots/2007_12_02/

All SOHO's photos show the same face. Please google: the far side of the Sun either in amages and in website.


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Attiyah Zahdeh wrote:
All SOHO's photos show the same face.

And your evidence is....?

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Attiyah Zahdeh wrote:
All SOHO's photos show the same face.

And your evidence is....?

Please have you googled: the far side of the Sun?
Suppose that SOHO orbits the Sun and sees the far side, however, this doe not mean that the Earth-stationed observers see the far side.


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Attiyah Zahdeh wrote:
Please have you googled: the far side of the Sun?
Suppose that SOHO orbits the Sun and sees the far side, however, this doe not mean that the Earth-stationed observers see the far side.

We don't see it directly no but we see the images from SOHO. Does it matter if it's a photo rather than the human eye direct, as long as we're seeing it? Personally anyway I'd rather trust NASAs SOHO website than anything google can conjure up on the subject.

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Anyway, if not mistaken, I know that SOHO does not orbit the Sun.

In that case you are mistaken: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/about/orbit.html


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Hi,
If the Earth was faciing the same face of the Sun all the time then surely a Sunspot would remain stationary.
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It is amazing that the biggest load of gibberish gets the most responses. Come on mods, this is supposed to be a serious astronomical discussion forum.

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Attiyah Zahdeh wrote:
Please have you googled: the far side of the Sun?

Yes, I have and what now?
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Anyway, if not mistaken, I know that SOHO does not orbit the Sun.

What does it do then? Was SOHO launched into a pendulum "orbit"?

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Eclipse wrote:
It is amazing that the biggest load of gibberish gets the most responses. Come on mods, this is supposed to be a serious astronomical discussion forum.

There is serious astronomical discussion coming from (most of) one side. The other side has yet to prove that he/she is going join in. If he/she doesn't do so quickly, it will be locked. Don't you think that it can be interesting to argue the very basics sometimes? If you can't "prove" that the Earth revolves around the Sun then you're in trouble!

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joe wrote:
Attiyah Zahdeh wrote:
Please have you googled: the far side of the Sun?

Yes, I have and what now?
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Anyway, if not mistaken, I know that SOHO does not orbit the Sun.

What does it do then? Was SOHO launched into a pendulum "orbit"?


I think he must be getting mixed up with the Moon :lol:

BTW, I did google "The far side of the Sun", the only relevant site was http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060320_sun_farside.html

This site tells us the we can now see the far side of the sun using data from SOHO, and...?

<insert puzzled expression>

Edit: AZ, you keep accusing people of not answering your question, when quite clearly they have, but you failed to answer my question about where the force requred to make the Earth change direction and act as a pendulum comes from...(?)

Come on clever clogs.. 8)


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